I’ve been in India for two months now, but I thought I would share a story about the challenges in getting started in my work with Drishtee. It reminded me a lot of the exercise in “Everyday Barriers” that the fellows went through during our training in New York.
My business visa, which was issued in the U.S., notes that I am employed with Acumen Fund Advisory Services, Ind. Pvt, Ltd. in Hyderabad. It states ‘Registration Required Within 14 Days of Arrival in India’ although it does not say with what office or where. The Tuesday after I arrived in India, I went to the Foreigners Regional Registration Office (with several documents) in New Delhi, but, unfortunately, it was closed by 3:00 and I got there too late.
On Wednesday, I went back to FRRO, and after waiting in line and submitting the documents, I was told that since I was in a different state (Uttar Pradesh), that I needed to go to the Main Noida Police Station (Noida is where Drishtee is headquartered and where I live) to get registered. They would not give me the address or the exact name of the place – I asked many times and was told by the staff at FRRO that everyone in Noida knew where the place was. As you can imagine, when I got to Noida, no one had ever heard of this office. I finally found the address and went there, meeting with a Mr. Singh, who informed me that my visa was not valid for Noida and that I needed to go to Hyderabad if I wanted to stay in India. After much discussion, he suggested going to the Foreigners Visa Office in Delhi. If they would provide a document approving a visa change, he would register me in Noida. I rushed back to Delhi on Wednesday, but you need to get a pass to enter the Foreigners Visa Office in Delhi. No passes are given out after 12 noon, so nothing else could be done that day.
On Thursday, I went back to the Foreigners Visa Office in Delhi. First, I had to wait in line to get to the office that issues passes to enter the Foreigners Visa Office. After 1 1/2 hours, I got a pass to enter the Foreigners Visa Office, where I submitted some documents and waited another hour before having an interview. I was told that I had to go back to Hyderabad to register and could not work or live in Noida. After explaining clearly that my company was based in Hyderabad and I was in Noida, he agreed to review my case and told me to come back at 5:00. I came back at 5:00 to the office where I originally waited in the morning to get a pass to enter the foreigners visa office. At 7:00 I was told to come back the next day.
Fortunately, Drishtee took over my visa registration and got it sorted out several days later. The good news is that I learned a lot about the Indian bureaucracy, and Drishtee actually found a government statute that clearly defines who is responsible for what. The bad news is that I was out of the office for 2 1/2 days waiting in line, spending money on transport, and unable to contribute to the team. I can only imagine the frustration and difficulty that navigating the system must present to those who cannot afford to lose several days’ wages. It makes me more committed to my work with Drishtee, as its goal is to increase the ability of rural villagers to access needed services.
After this rough beginning, though, things are starting to come together, I have learned a lot about rural India and what the needs of the villagers are, and with constant questioning regarding how and why things are done, have worked with the management team to revise Drishtee’s distribution approach. In early February, we will begin a pilot of this new idea and I will spend the first two weeks in a rural village to finally get a first-hand taste of the impact Drishtee is having. I look forward to sharing my experiences there.
This story reminds me of a friend’s frustrating attempt at obtaining a tax identification number in Manila, and my own stab at renewing my driver’s license. I think one reason it is so daunting to remove these layers of red tape in developing countries is that they serve as avenues for corruption, that is, people would be willing to pay extra under the table to bypass such processes. Those who have enough knowledge of the system and are in the position to make changes are themselves challenged financially and would choose to maintain the status quo because it affords them a means of added income.
I appreciate your patience and totally agree that bureaucracy and corruption are among the biggest problems to be solved in India. I think you should ask people at Drishtee and find out how they did it. I am sure it will help others
I appreciate your sentiments about the challenges of being in a new place. Now in Thailand for the first few months of a public health program, I have had significant troubles to secure a student visa. In a few weeks I will be heading to India for a program of service alongside the dZi Foundation in Ladakh. I hope good luck in the beaurocracy, but know that it can almost be a fun game when you appraoch it with a sort of hyper-preparation / anticipation … and a smile. A smile is always important.
My best,
Elliott Wright
David–Consider yourself realy lucky that Drishtee took this up for you otherwise you may stll be running from Hyderabad to Delhiand Delhi to Noida and back, again and again. I’m in the same situation and since longer and still don’t have the visa I require. How did Drishtee manage it for you? Any suggestions? Do you know which statute they relied upon? Hope the rest of your stay has been easier.
Hi there,
I have employees in Noida who are facing the same issue (company registered in Gurgaon) with FRRO. Are you please able to let me know how you resolved the situation?
Thanks, Nicky
Hi Nicky,
There is a statute that requires the local police office to register foreigners within the city in which they live. Unfortunately I was not able to find a copy of this and the Drishtee staff person that tracked it down is not longer there. Basically we provided the police department (Mr. Singh) with a copy and he agreed to abide by it. In the end I did not need FRRO permission, just the local police station.
Hi,
I can totally identify with your frustration. I am in a similar boat right now needing to register with the Noida FRRO.
I’m not able to find that local Noida police station. Do you happen to remember the address / location or contact number ? Can you please send it to me ?
Will be very grateful.
Thanks,
Ab